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		By: Martin Matsil		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Matsil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2015 19:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.iridetheharlemline.com/2013/01/07/the-mystery-of-grand-centrals-suburban-concourse/comment-page-1/#comment-327200&quot;&gt;William Hays&lt;/a&gt;.

i am not sure everybody knows,that there are only 22 FL-9&#039;s left,38 were cut up for scrap including the FL-9 a/c,models that were test beds for the Long Island,DM 30 a/c dual modes.it is a shame when a railroad or an agency who owns a railroad cares more about money then history,which will bite them in the pants.i am lucky i own 3 FL-9&#039;s in HO-scale.1,brass,from The caboose,in conn.and 2 others by Mark Castaglione.of Branford Hobbies,in Branford,Ct.i hope that the people in power have the compassion to keep the other FL-9&#039;s from being scrapped.maybe some one should have their cars scrapped,let them know how other&#039;s feel.The maybe no snap judgements.Thanks,have a great weekend,and God bless.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.iridetheharlemline.com/2013/01/07/the-mystery-of-grand-centrals-suburban-concourse/comment-page-1/#comment-327200">William Hays</a>.</p>
<p>i am not sure everybody knows,that there are only 22 FL-9&#8217;s left,38 were cut up for scrap including the FL-9 a/c,models that were test beds for the Long Island,DM 30 a/c dual modes.it is a shame when a railroad or an agency who owns a railroad cares more about money then history,which will bite them in the pants.i am lucky i own 3 FL-9&#8217;s in HO-scale.1,brass,from The caboose,in conn.and 2 others by Mark Castaglione.of Branford Hobbies,in Branford,Ct.i hope that the people in power have the compassion to keep the other FL-9&#8217;s from being scrapped.maybe some one should have their cars scrapped,let them know how other&#8217;s feel.The maybe no snap judgements.Thanks,have a great weekend,and God bless.</p>
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		By: Ed Waugh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Waugh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2015 08:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.iridetheharlemline.com/2013/01/07/the-mystery-of-grand-centrals-suburban-concourse/comment-page-1/#comment-319969&quot;&gt;Ted Weitz&lt;/a&gt;.

There was an American Railway Express Company.  I don&#039;t know if it became the American Express of today.  Old depot photos sometimes have a sign on them with this name.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.iridetheharlemline.com/2013/01/07/the-mystery-of-grand-centrals-suburban-concourse/comment-page-1/#comment-319969">Ted Weitz</a>.</p>
<p>There was an American Railway Express Company.  I don&#8217;t know if it became the American Express of today.  Old depot photos sometimes have a sign on them with this name.</p>
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		By: William Hays		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Hays]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.iridetheharlemline.com/2013/01/07/the-mystery-of-grand-centrals-suburban-concourse/comment-page-1/#comment-309760&quot;&gt;Walter&lt;/a&gt;.

Whilst working in the Terminal (1963-&#039;68) as an &quot;Air-Rights&quot; construction superintendent and NYCS coordinator, I remember tracks 11-13.  There was no track 12, as the space was taken up by mail handling chutes-and-ladders.  No passenger tracks east of 11, just storage.  The express company service was long gone.  Lots of NYNH&#038;H mail trains.  A few NYC, too.  &quot;Famed&quot; (FDR) track 61 was a dirty mess and used to lay-over FL9s, etc..  Tower &quot;C&quot; handled all of this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.iridetheharlemline.com/2013/01/07/the-mystery-of-grand-centrals-suburban-concourse/comment-page-1/#comment-309760">Walter</a>.</p>
<p>Whilst working in the Terminal (1963-&#8217;68) as an &#8220;Air-Rights&#8221; construction superintendent and NYCS coordinator, I remember tracks 11-13.  There was no track 12, as the space was taken up by mail handling chutes-and-ladders.  No passenger tracks east of 11, just storage.  The express company service was long gone.  Lots of NYNH&amp;H mail trains.  A few NYC, too.  &#8220;Famed&#8221; (FDR) track 61 was a dirty mess and used to lay-over FL9s, etc..  Tower &#8220;C&#8221; handled all of this.</p>
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		By: Ted Weitz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Weitz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just came across your great site.  One minor correction.  You note the reference to the Express agency as &quot;(American) Express.&quot;  I am certain this is wrong.  All the railroads partiicpated in the Railway Express Agency, noted in its very last years as REA Express. Most passenger trains had some combination of baggage, mail and express cars immediately after the locomotive and before the passenger cars.  You can find its whole story on Wikipedia.  American Express was in the travel and banking business, but had no need for railroad platforms.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just came across your great site.  One minor correction.  You note the reference to the Express agency as &#8220;(American) Express.&#8221;  I am certain this is wrong.  All the railroads partiicpated in the Railway Express Agency, noted in its very last years as REA Express. Most passenger trains had some combination of baggage, mail and express cars immediately after the locomotive and before the passenger cars.  You can find its whole story on Wikipedia.  American Express was in the travel and banking business, but had no need for railroad platforms.</p>
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		By: Al Cyone		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Al Cyone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re all likely to already know about it but I just came across &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kinglyheirs.com/NewYorkStateRailroads/GrandCentral.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this site&lt;/a&gt; which has links to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gricer.com/gct/gct-intro.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;track plans&lt;/a&gt; (which are actually &quot;leverman&#039;s diagrams&quot; showing where all the switches are). Very cool. And complex!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re all likely to already know about it but I just came across <a href="http://www.kinglyheirs.com/NewYorkStateRailroads/GrandCentral.html" rel="nofollow">this site</a> which has links to the <a href="http://www.gricer.com/gct/gct-intro.html" rel="nofollow">track plans</a> (which are actually &#8220;leverman&#8217;s diagrams&#8221; showing where all the switches are). Very cool. And complex!</p>
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		By: peter van aken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[peter van aken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 05:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great work! Please keep posting your Blog; your efforts and interesting style is appreciated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great work! Please keep posting your Blog; your efforts and interesting style is appreciated.</p>
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		By: Walter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It never occurred to me that there was a logical sequence of numbers starting on the lower level and moving to the upper. I just figured they announced &quot;track 15, upper level&quot; or &quot;track 15, lower level&quot; whenever there was a conflict.

The building of the Graybar Building and its passage is key, though. Tracks 1-17 on the lower level; tracks 18 to 42 on the upper. The Graybar tracks just seem too haphazard to have been planned for passenger use from the start. Take a look at today&#039;s platform between tracks 16 and 17, the westernmost in the passage: it has terrible visibility (you can&#039;t see your train on track 17 until you&#039;re next to it) because of the huge supports on the platform, which, I imagine, support either the Terminal itself or the Graybar building. 

The other tracks in the Graybar passage are just as bad. Track 15 is lower than the others, and it&#039;s platform-mate track 14 is still used for garbage loading, never for passengers. Tracks 13 and 11 don&#039;t even have a ramp (I suppose 12 never existed or is under the 13/11 platform). 

This makes the planning involved in the terminal even more incredible. Somehow the track numbers lined up so that tracks 1-17 on the upper level wouldn&#039;t have public platforms, while tracks 101-117 on the lower level would, so that the platforms could be numbered from 1 to 42. This is quite an amazing thing you&#039;ve found here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It never occurred to me that there was a logical sequence of numbers starting on the lower level and moving to the upper. I just figured they announced &#8220;track 15, upper level&#8221; or &#8220;track 15, lower level&#8221; whenever there was a conflict.</p>
<p>The building of the Graybar Building and its passage is key, though. Tracks 1-17 on the lower level; tracks 18 to 42 on the upper. The Graybar tracks just seem too haphazard to have been planned for passenger use from the start. Take a look at today&#8217;s platform between tracks 16 and 17, the westernmost in the passage: it has terrible visibility (you can&#8217;t see your train on track 17 until you&#8217;re next to it) because of the huge supports on the platform, which, I imagine, support either the Terminal itself or the Graybar building. </p>
<p>The other tracks in the Graybar passage are just as bad. Track 15 is lower than the others, and it&#8217;s platform-mate track 14 is still used for garbage loading, never for passengers. Tracks 13 and 11 don&#8217;t even have a ramp (I suppose 12 never existed or is under the 13/11 platform). </p>
<p>This makes the planning involved in the terminal even more incredible. Somehow the track numbers lined up so that tracks 1-17 on the upper level wouldn&#8217;t have public platforms, while tracks 101-117 on the lower level would, so that the platforms could be numbered from 1 to 42. This is quite an amazing thing you&#8217;ve found here.</p>
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		By: Emily		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emily]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 21:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.iridetheharlemline.com/2013/01/07/the-mystery-of-grand-centrals-suburban-concourse/comment-page-1/#comment-309622&quot;&gt;Ocala Mike&lt;/a&gt;.

Shh... I like to talk about the Harlem Division whenever I can. Pittsfield and North Adams still showed up on our form 112&#039;s until the early 50&#039;s ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.iridetheharlemline.com/2013/01/07/the-mystery-of-grand-centrals-suburban-concourse/comment-page-1/#comment-309622">Ocala Mike</a>.</p>
<p>Shh&#8230; I like to talk about the Harlem Division whenever I can. Pittsfield and North Adams still showed up on our form 112&#8217;s until the early 50&#8217;s ;)</p>
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		By: Ocala Mike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ocala Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 21:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Pittsfield train alluded to on the archway was, undoubtedly, a New Haven train.  If I&#039;m not mistaken, the entire east side of the station  back in the day was given over to the &quot;yankee railroad,&quot; the NH.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Pittsfield train alluded to on the archway was, undoubtedly, a New Haven train.  If I&#8217;m not mistaken, the entire east side of the station  back in the day was given over to the &#8220;yankee railroad,&#8221; the NH.</p>
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		By: Emily		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emily]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.iridetheharlemline.com/2013/01/07/the-mystery-of-grand-centrals-suburban-concourse/comment-page-1/#comment-309265&quot;&gt;Emily&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh, Millerton was a given, but that was part of the original Harlem. Pittsfield and North Adams were funky add on bonuses :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.iridetheharlemline.com/2013/01/07/the-mystery-of-grand-centrals-suburban-concourse/comment-page-1/#comment-309265">Emily</a>.</p>
<p>Oh, Millerton was a given, but that was part of the original Harlem. Pittsfield and North Adams were funky add on bonuses :)</p>
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